Wormholes and infinite energy? - Printable Version +- The Orion's Arm Universe Project Forums (https://www.orionsarm.com/forum) +-- Forum: Offtopics and Extras; Other Cool Stuff (https://www.orionsarm.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?fid=2) +--- Forum: General Off-topic Discussion (https://www.orionsarm.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?fid=10) +--- Thread: Wormholes and infinite energy? (/showthread.php?tid=5020) Wormholes and infinite energy? - Baleia espacial - 03-23-2021 I've been thinking, in OA, a lot of the WH need to be far from massive objects to be stable but some types of WH (the ones that archais use for in-processing node data transfer) can be located in very close proximity to these massive bodies. My question is, imagine a system with a massive body, one mouth of a relatively large WH (suficient to pass light beams or sub-atomic/atom sizeĀ  particles) is anchored to the surface or near the massive body and the other mouth is a little far from the other but resonably close, then, imagine that you shoot a particle or a beam of light through the WH entering the massive body bound mouth, if the other mouth is positioned in a way that makes the particle/beam return and enter the massive body bound mouth again and repeat the process. AssumingĀ  ideal conditions (no perturbances and perfect aiming), isn't possible to generate "infinite" energy? Since, in the case of a particle, because of the gravity of the massive body is stronger near one of the mouths of the WH, the particle would accelerate and exit the other mouth and repeat, and with light it would blue shift, would it be possible? Sorry for the massive quantity of words, I couldn't find a way to be clear with a smaller text. RE: Wormholes and infinite energy? - stevebowers - 03-23-2021 Good question! Although it is possible to extract energy from a wormhole using a range of different tricks, there is no such thing as a free lunch, and in most cases there is a kind of cosmic book-keeping that will take the extracted energy back out of the system somehow. So if you extract energy using a pair of wormholes the wormholes themselves will lose energy in some way, perhaps by shrinking or by losing orbital velocity. Someone with a better grasp of the maths involved would need to work out the exact results of the set-up you describe. RE: Wormholes and infinite energy? - Drashner1 - 03-23-2021 This wouldn't actually work. In absolute terms because the way conservation laws work with WHs is that the mass-energy entering one mouth will cause that mouth to gain mass-energy (growing a bit in the process), while the 'exit' mouth will lose mass-energy (shrinking a bit in the process). As this continues, the exit mouth will get smaller and more unstable until eventually it can't be kept open and will implode, destroying the entire wormhole in the process (and most everything else in the vicinity as around 70% of the WHs mass-energy is radiated away). Basically, this process is extracting mass-energy out of the exit wormhole mouth (and the wormhole insofar as the mouths are part of the same structure). In OA terms, there would also be the problem that the type of wormholes you are using (comm-gates) have such intense internal tidal forces that only EM radiation (light) can pass thru them without being destroyed. Atoms or sub-atomic particles attempting to pass thru will be thoroughly shredded. Which wouldn't stop the mass-energy extraction effect, but would complicate things all around. Hope this helps, Todd EDIT - So basically you could do this - but you couldn't extract 'infinite' energy from the process. The amount of energy you could extract would be bounded by the amount of mass-energy the exit wormhole mouth could lose before imploding.