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I think im following you now.

I've not heard of the peripheries in relation to world countries, intresting only Russia is peripheries and the other BRICs are semi-periphry.

I guess the major things we need to confront are population

None of the enviromental groups seem to point out less people means less population pressure and more resources to go around. Replacement population growth would be good,and China's one child policy reduce dthe potential population.

We have this economic idea of increasing gains forever, growing less than last quarter is seen as bad rather than a good progression towards a steady state. We don't need more food than last year once we have enough and maybe a little stockpile that's ok, why is more GDP needed?

I cant be reading that table right. It's hard to see but wind is 20 and gas and nuclear are below 10 does that mean they are unusable for industrial civilisation or does it mean on their own? Is it suggesting that with enough storage and windy locales we could manage a renwables civilisation? It is very telling it looks mainly at electricty. How absurd is it to burn fuel to run steam through turbines to generate electricty (with attendant losses) only to convert back to a wire.

Which is why I guess natural gas is used as heating so much

Solar thermal is missing from the table. What's the EROI of a Solar Thermal P32? Which can also produce the reflectors for another one..


I think one of the important points missing is no PV or wind turbine factory manufacters new PV or wind turbines using their own PV or wind turbines, if they did then wouldn't any EROI above one be ok, since you could simply build as many as needed?
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Renewables - by xsampa - 09-19-2014, 11:38 AM
RE: Renewables - by Cray - 09-19-2014, 12:31 PM
RE: Renewables - by stevebowers - 09-19-2014, 06:22 PM
RE: Renewables - by xsampa - 09-20-2014, 12:09 AM
RE: Renewables - by FrodoGoofball - 09-19-2014, 11:44 PM
RE: Renewables - by Cray - 09-20-2014, 12:32 AM
RE: Renewables - by FrodoGoofball - 09-20-2014, 03:30 AM
RE: Renewables - by stevebowers - 09-20-2014, 05:42 AM
RE: Renewables - by FrodoGoofball - 09-20-2014, 06:28 AM
RE: Renewables - by stevebowers - 09-20-2014, 06:53 PM
RE: Renewables - by xsampa - 09-20-2014, 08:55 AM
RE: Renewables - by stevebowers - 09-20-2014, 06:34 PM
RE: Renewables - by stevebowers - 09-20-2014, 07:04 PM
RE: Renewables - by Drashner1 - 09-20-2014, 09:42 PM
RE: Renewables - by Drashner1 - 09-20-2014, 09:36 PM
RE: Renewables - by stevebowers - 09-20-2014, 10:54 PM
RE: Renewables - by Drashner1 - 09-20-2014, 11:42 PM
RE: Renewables - by stevebowers - 09-21-2014, 12:54 AM
RE: Renewables - by Dalex - 09-21-2014, 01:15 AM
RE: Renewables - by stevebowers - 09-21-2014, 01:19 AM
RE: Renewables - by Drashner1 - 09-21-2014, 05:28 AM
RE: Renewables - by xsampa - 09-21-2014, 02:36 AM
RE: Renewables - by iancampbell - 09-21-2014, 03:11 AM
RE: Renewables - by xsampa - 09-21-2014, 03:36 AM
RE: Renewables - by kch49er - 09-21-2014, 10:16 PM
RE: Renewables - by xsampa - 09-22-2014, 04:24 AM
RE: Renewables - by Drashner1 - 09-22-2014, 07:56 AM
RE: Renewables - by xsampa - 09-22-2014, 11:13 AM
RE: Renewables - by kch49er - 09-22-2014, 05:43 AM
RE: Renewables - by xsampa - 09-22-2014, 06:17 AM
RE: Renewables - by kch49er - 09-22-2014, 07:57 AM
RE: Renewables - by Drashner1 - 09-22-2014, 11:29 AM
RE: Renewables - by radtech497 - 09-22-2014, 04:17 PM
RE: Renewables - by stevebowers - 09-22-2014, 08:57 PM
RE: Renewables - by iancampbell - 09-22-2014, 08:22 PM
RE: Renewables - by kch49er - 09-22-2014, 08:37 PM
RE: Renewables - by iancampbell - 09-22-2014, 11:47 PM
RE: Renewables - by xsampa - 09-23-2014, 12:40 AM
RE: Renewables - by radtech497 - 09-23-2014, 02:49 AM
RE: Renewables - by iancampbell - 09-23-2014, 08:25 AM
RE: Renewables - by xsampa - 09-23-2014, 10:44 AM
RE: Renewables - by Drashner1 - 09-23-2014, 01:00 PM
RE: Renewables - by Drashner1 - 09-24-2014, 01:26 PM
RE: Renewables - by Drashner1 - 10-09-2014, 11:15 AM
RE: Renewables - by stevebowers - 10-10-2014, 06:41 AM
RE: Renewables - by Drashner1 - 10-10-2014, 11:23 AM
RE: Renewables - by Fsci123 - 10-16-2014, 10:50 PM
RE: Renewables - by Cray - 10-17-2014, 09:12 PM
RE: Renewables - by iancampbell - 01-13-2015, 06:59 PM
RE: Renewables - by Rynn - 01-13-2015, 09:49 PM
RE: Renewables - by iancampbell - 01-14-2015, 01:17 AM
RE: Renewables - by kch49er - 10-18-2014, 09:04 PM
RE: Renewables - by tmazanec1 - 01-13-2015, 12:38 PM
RE: Renewables - by stevebowers - 01-13-2015, 08:55 PM
RE: Renewables - by Rynn - 01-13-2015, 09:56 PM
RE: Renewables - by stevebowers - 01-13-2015, 09:12 PM
RE: Renewables - by Dalex - 01-14-2015, 05:21 AM

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