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Transhumanism: How do we know?
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Since Steve mentioned the Fermi Paradox: We have at least two maps here, which depict the rough outline of xeno-civs around the galaxy:

http://www.orionsarm.com/eg-article/4be587099881e

http://www.orionsarm.com/eg-article/48028a7f74e6d

So, why didn't the inhabitants of Old Earth in the Information Age (obviously in the OA universe) detect at least some of theses HEECs? I don't know anything about astronomy but shouldn't at least HEEC1 and HEEC2 be detectable by astronomy instruments from the Information Age? Or maybe the problem is that the inhabitants of Information Age Old Earth in OA could only look at completely outdated information from these regions of space, because the light, which travelled from these regions to Old Earth, carried information about the state of these regions, how they were thousands of years ago.

I mean today's technology is able to detect events, which happen around the central black hole in our galaxy:

http://www.chinatopix.com/articles/23690...-cloud.htm

But I guess the problem is that we are looking at events, which already happened a long time ago in the past so something like HEEC2 didn't exist yet in the OA-universe.

Still I find it weird that we aren't able to detect HEECs in our own universe if we assume the existence of HEECs, which are at least a million years old. This may be a hint that the Technological Singularity may not be possible in the radical way, some people like Kurzweil imagine it to be. What if the creation of the first turing-level ai doesn't cause a process of rapid runaway self-improvement of that ai but instead causes a process of slow self-improvement? Of course that still doesn't explain the lack of HEECs, who are at least one million years old (since the onset of their Information Age). Either the civs, who underwent the Technological Singularity, chose not to expand into the universe(, because they would also have a version of their Fermi Paradox and may decide that it's not a good idea to expand, because other xeno-civs apparently didn't do that either. Although that leads to the question: Why did the first advanced civ in the universe choose not to expand?) or they destroyed themselves after all. In any case this scenario seems highly unlikely:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Predictions...e_Universe

Because the others before us didn't "wake up the universe". So we shouldn't be able to do it either. (Unless of course we are somehow really "special", which is very unlikely in my opinion.)
"Hydrogen is a light, odorless gas, which, given enough time, turns into people." -- Edward Robert Harrison
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Transhumanism: How do we know? - by Steel Accord - 12-07-2014, 05:05 PM
RE: Transhumanism: How do we know? - by Rynn - 12-07-2014, 09:17 PM
RE: Transhumanism: How do we know? - by Drashner1 - 12-08-2014, 01:46 AM
RE: Transhumanism: How do we know? - by Drashner1 - 12-12-2014, 01:23 PM
RE: Transhumanism: How do we know? - by rom65536 - 12-09-2014, 06:43 PM
RE: Transhumanism: How do we know? - by Drashner1 - 12-10-2014, 01:05 PM
RE: Transhumanism: How do we know? - by chris0033547 - 12-12-2014, 07:39 PM
RE: Transhumanism: How do we know? - by Drashner1 - 12-12-2014, 10:10 PM
RE: Transhumanism: How do we know? - by Dalex - 12-12-2014, 10:36 PM
RE: Transhumanism: How do we know? - by Drashner1 - 12-14-2014, 12:38 AM
RE: Transhumanism: How do we know? - by Drashner1 - 12-15-2014, 01:26 AM
RE: Transhumanism: How do we know? - by xsampa - 01-02-2015, 02:35 AM

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