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Posthuman Norms
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What behavioral incentives (or social norms, if they are social) will post-human species have? 
In some works of science fiction, the distant descendants of humans becoming post-sapient animals, notably Kurt Vonnegut's Galapagos that are entirely instinctual because human-style brains are a large energetic investment. Notably Watt's Blindsight argues that consciousness is unnecessary for intelligence and that humans may be evolving towards being p-zombies. Outside of these cases, posthumans are seen as having a wide variety of behavioral norms due to the pressures of a different environment (in space, uploaded etc.) and different societies to begin with.
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(06-09-2022, 12:50 PM)xsampa Wrote: What behavioral incentives (or social norms, if they are social) will post-human species have? 
In some works of science fiction, the distant descendants of humans becoming post-sapient animals, notably Kurt Vonnegut's Galapagos that are entirely instinctual because human-style brains are a large energetic investment. Notably Watt's Blindsight argues that consciousness is unnecessary for intelligence and that humans may be evolving towards being p-zombies. Outside of these cases, posthumans are seen as having a wide variety of behavioral norms due to the pressures of a different environment (in space, uploaded etc.) and different societies to begin with.

apparently a million different incentives and social norms.

the society and culture pages might help give ideas
https://www.orionsarm.com/eg-topic/45b177d3ef3b1

They'll still need food, and usually water of some kind, or some kind of nutrition, a drive to survive, and at least on some kind of population level, a drive to reproduce even if it's in a very controlled way. The pursuit of happiness/ transcendent States/ pleasure/ entertainment, and more would probably continue to be drives
 
Others might re-engineer their minds with psychoware to become utterly fascinated with drives we might find more alien, like being obsessed with the fluid dynamics of water (for example). Or their primary motives might be centered around contemplating various abstractions in virtual spaces that would be outside of human comprehension. Or something else. 

starting with the construction of vots early in the timeline, and most explorations of the toposophic landscape since then, would probably explore every possible variant of how to motivate a mind. 
this is just a start to the possibilities.
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#3
I think they're looking for a generic, non-OA answer, in which case I'm not sure if we have any idea what posthuman norms could be like, but I do think OA's answer is a good one still.
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#4
Is it probable for most clades of posthumanity to be social creatures?
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#5
(06-09-2022, 11:14 PM)xsampa Wrote: Is it probable for most clades of posthumanity to be social creatures?

I think your questions here are necessarily dependent on the factors that we cannot predict, it's like asking a person from ten thousand years ago what our arts today would be like.
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(06-09-2022, 11:14 PM)xsampa Wrote: Is it probable for most clades of posthumanity to be social creatures?

I’m going to answer from the perspective of OA, because actually trying to predict the future with something so vague as “post human” is an exercise in futility.

Transapients appear to still primarily be social creatures but their population numbers (in the sephirotics at least) are relatively low. I think it makes sense for OA style superintelligences to still be social because the benefits of social instincts don’t go away just because you’re a transap. If anything the benefits get heightened because you’re in an even better position to specialise and understand cooperative strategy.

At a certain point though the question wanders into territory of “what does it even mean to be a society.” It’s debatable whether archai are individuals or should be better understood as highly harmonious super organisms.
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#7
Speaking also in the context of OA:

a) Given the scale of Terragen civ, it's entirely possible that there are many, many norms - with different groups of posthumans practicing different norms, many of which may be in conflict with those practiced by other groups of posthumans.

b) Given psychoware technology, whether or not a given posthuman is a social creature (a little, a lot, or not at all) will largely be up to the posthuman and is a variable that may change over time or in response to changing circumstances.

Todd
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#8
In Orion's Arm, some post-humans are post-intelligent- that is to say, they are not intelligent in any way that we are familiar with.
Post-intelligent types include the Snarks
https://www.orionsarm.com/eg-article/4b9d1c357006f
and various a-life types which are not remotely human in their toposophic cognition.
https://www.orionsarm.com/eg-article/45ece4d1ef83d

Some transapient entities are ascended/transcended forms of beings which were once a-life, and these are often entirely incomprehensible to other sophont types (some animins are like this). Others started as more conventional entities, but have changed so much during the transcension process that they are similarly incomprehensible.
https://www.orionsarm.com/eg-topic/45c540c45a501
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