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(08-17-2016, 02:49 AM)selden Wrote: http://www.orionsarm.com/page/297
Xenosophonts

tree-like organism and a “choir” of symbiotic crawlers
should be
tree-like organism and a "choir" of symbiotic crawlers

Fixed; thanks!
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(08-17-2016, 03:01 AM)selden Wrote: http://www.orionsarm.com/page/298
Singularities, Toposophy, and Singularity Levels


Singularity, it developed was something that
should be
Singularity, it developed, was something that

multiple Jupiter nodes intermixed with some Dyson nodes
is somewhat ambiguous and might be better as
multiple Jupiter nodes combined with some Dyson nodes

Fixed; thanks! Although I'm not sure if combined is quite right either. An S5 archailect requires a lot of processing substrate, but there is no reason why it would need to combine various different kinds; it could exist on one type only, or many different types in various ratios.
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(08-17-2016, 06:02 AM)stevebowers Wrote:
(08-17-2016, 03:01 AM)selden Wrote: http://www.orionsarm.com/page/298
Singularities, Toposophy, and Singularity Levels


Singularity, it developed was something that
should be
Singularity, it developed, was something that

multiple Jupiter nodes intermixed with some Dyson nodes
is somewhat ambiguous and might be better as
multiple Jupiter nodes combined with some Dyson nodes

Fixed; thanks! Although I'm not sure if combined is quite right either. An S5 archailect requires a lot of processing substrate, but there is no reason why it would need to combine various different kinds; it could exist on one type only, or many different types in various ratios.

Hm. Looking at this article, I think the descriptionsame for both S5 and S6 need some tweaking. Our conception of S5s has changed since this was written, making them much bigger. S6 are still a bit more nebulous, but are also likely much bigger.

Will post more thoughts on this later tonight.

Todd
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It might be worth mentioning that the higher Archai preferentially build in systems with supergiant stars. They aren't that rare and such a system can offer about an order of magnitude more mass than our own. A hypernode made from such a star, while likely taking thousands of years to construct, could house an entire S5 by itself.
OA Wish list:
  1. DNI
  2. Internal medical system
  3. A dormbot, because domestic chores suck!
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(08-17-2016, 06:36 AM)Rynn Wrote: It might be worth mentioning that the higher Archai preferentially build in systems with supergiant stars. They aren't that rare and such a system can offer about an order of magnitude more mass than our own. A hypernode made from such a star, while likely taking thousands of years to construct, could house an entire S5 by itself.

Why thousands of years? I would have thought that the "mechanical" construction of computational assets would be quite a lot quicker than that, assuming an exponential growth in the numbers of constructors. Loading it with data and personality probably wouldn't be so fast, of course.
Selden
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One thing that would slow the process down is the generation of waste heat. A hypernode is created by disassembling a star, using its own luminosity; this would generate a lot of energy since a significant fraction of the binding energy of the star has to be released over a finite amount of time in order to separate the mass. Even though OA tech is efficient, some significant waste heat would be released.
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(08-17-2016, 08:13 AM)stevebowers Wrote: One thing that would slow the process down is the generation of waste heat. A hypernode is created by disassembling a star, using its own luminosity; this would generate a lot of energy since a significant fraction of the binding energy of the star has to be released over a finite amount of time in order to separate the mass. Even though OA tech is efficient, some waste heat is still released.

Actually, hypernode construction (and most other stellar disassembly operations in OA) would need to make use of much more than the luminosity of the star. 'Conventional' star lifting as proposed by Criswell does use stellar luminosity as a power source, but takes hundreds of millions of years. In OA we describe the process as taking from 1000-3000 years, many orders of magnitude faster than what Criswell describes. In part this is likely a product of experience and more efficient systems. But a good chunk of it probably comes from using conversion tech to convert a portion of the stars mass (or some other convenient mass) into energy to generate more energy than the star puts out. Still, waste heat is going to be an issue for anything less than magmatter. And presumably star lifting is done with the goal of controlled disassembly of the star - the archai and detonate stars of course, but that isn't the goal in this case.

Regarding the use of a hypernode to house an S5 - If we go with the most recent discussions on this, then it takes 10 solar masses of plasma processor to run an S5 mind. My original conception of this would be that an entire 10 Sol mass star is re-engineered - from the core all the way to the corona - into an interlinked set of processing systems. Since an S5 presumably starts life as an S4, there would need to be some way of loading its mind into the new processor. Given the bandwidth limitations of surface area vs volume of data storage, we want to maximize that as much as possible. Which might lead to something like a dyson swarm, built from the S4 J-brain (which compresses and packs itself away as part of the process), and arranged to surround the star. But the swarm elements are all designed to transmit data inward into the star, probably powered by it and using gamma ray lasers to do the transmitting. Still, it would likely take a while even then.

Using a hypernode configuration - extracting heavy elements from the star for secondary processors and hardware, using its energy to create the magmatter elements of the plasma processor (with the H2 in the star forming the heart of it) and wormholes to route internal communication ...makes a certain amount of sense - it might also help with increasing the surface area involved for data transfer. Although I suppose the amount of matter in the S4 Jupiter node would set an upper bound.

Todd
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(08-17-2016, 06:25 AM)Drashner1 Wrote: Hm. Looking at this article, I think the descriptionsame for both S5 and S6 need some tweaking. Our conception of S5s has changed since this was written, making them much bigger. S6 are still a bit more nebulous, but are also likely much bigger.

So, regarding this issue, below is the current text along with a suggested update:

SI: 5 — sometimes considered the highest state in which individuality, as subsingularity persons know it, is retained. Most minds of this level exist as multiple Jupiter nodes combined with some Dyson nodes or Matrioshka nodes.

SI: 5 — sometimes considered the highest state in which individuality, as subsingularity persons know it, is retained. Most minds of this level operate on multiple solar masses of high energy computronium with hundreds of wormhole linked Jupiter, Dyson, and Matrioshka nodes providing localized processing across their domains.

SI: 6 — a more cosmic/archetypal level. Minds of this level exist as vast arrays of thousands of Jupiter nodes, Dyson nodes, and Matrioshka nodes as well as huge numbers of smaller processor complexes and programs operating within the communication and computation nets of all levels of their symbiotic civilizations and support structures.

SI: 6 — a more cosmic/archetypal being. Minds of this level are said to exist as vast arrays of wormhole based quantum processors (possibly extending into artificial universes and the interuniversal bulk itself), augmented by thousands of Jupiter, Dyson, and Matrioshka nodes, dozens of Neuron Stars, and huge numbers of smaller processor complexes and programs operating within the communication and computation nets of all levels of their symbiotic civilizations and support structures.

Trying to structure this in a way that is sufficiently 'robust' that it can continue with little or no modification as we continue to refine our conception of S5 and S6 minds.

Thoughts?

Todd
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Suggest and/or between Dyson and Matrioshka in both paragraphs. At the moment it reads as if they are all necessary, but they need not all be present.
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http://www.orionsarm.com/eg-article/4817c2cc10200
Transcendence Blights and Perversities

Suggestion:
Usually these are merely tempered and modified by the new sophont's more advanced cognitive structures, hugely increased processing powers, and massively expanded data base.

might be better as
Usually these are merely tempered and modified by the transcended sophont's improved understanding, supported by cognitive structures, hugely increased processing powers, and massively expanded data base.

resulting in a mental breakdown of in the transcension process.
should be
resulting in a mental breakdown during the transcension process.
Selden
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