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bad link in http://www.orionsarm.com/eg-article/4782eae239002

The link titled "Non-Coercive Zone" (early in the 2nd paragraph) generates an error message instead of showing a NoCoZo informational page.
Fatal error: Call to a member function set() on a non-object in /home/www/vhosts/www.orionsarm.com/htdocs/controllers/cont_oaeg.php on line 118
Selden
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(08-07-2016, 07:29 AM)selden Wrote: bad link in http://www.orionsarm.com/eg-article/4782eae239002

The link titled "Non-Coercive Zone" (early in the 2nd paragraph) generates an error message instead of showing a NoCoZo informational page.
Fatal error: Call to a member function set() on a non-object in /home/www/vhosts/www.orionsarm.com/htdocs/controllers/cont_oaeg.php on line 118

Fixed.

Thanks!

ToddSmile
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(08-07-2016, 05:50 AM)selden Wrote: http://www.orionsarm.com/eg-article/4a1658c2ba874

The Outer Sphere article states
"the Mobile Frontier, an ever expanding zone nearly fourteen thousand light years across at its greatest extent."

I'm probably overlooking something, but my understanding is that OA's "current date" is Y11K with an offset from our current dating system. As a result, I think that the above statement might be better as "the Mobile Frontier, an ever expanding zone which is currently somewhat less than twenty thousand light years across at its greatest extent."

Otherwise, something like 5 to 8 thousand years have disappeared somewhere Smile

Actually no, the article is pretty much (although not completely) correct.

While we use the term 'Y11K' as a shorthand to mean the OA 'Present Day', the exact date (insofar as that means anything in a slower than light setting) is 10,600AT.

As far as the distance, this is based on two factors:

a) The slower than light nature of ships in OA, most of which go quite a lot less than c.

b) The fact that early ships in the setting went even a lot more less than c. Later ships are much faster (especially reactionless drive vessels), but didn't come along until thousands of years after the first starships. So they haven't had time to get out to 10,000ly even if the 'Present Day' is approximately 10,000yrs in the future.

This page provides a nice graphical representation: LINK

That all said, Terragen civ does extend out to a max of about 9500ly in some areas, due to the discovery of xenosophont created wormholes that have allowed Terragens to 'jump ahead' of their own expansion wave in spots and explore from (and into) areas they would not otherwise have reached for centuries or more. Presumably Terragens call such regions something other than 'the Mobile Frontier' and consider them separate in some fashion.

Like I said above, the article is pretty much (but not completely) accurate.

Todd
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(08-07-2016, 03:07 AM)Matterplay1 Wrote: I'll fix up the bit you mentioned, of course, but it also appears we've some other material from the old version that was deleted in an earlier edit. Obviously it needs a bit of updating (no picotech now), but I suggest we reintroduce it in modified form.

Agreed that this needs some updating and polishing. Along with removing picotech, I'd also suggest removing or replacing a lot of the 'classic space opera' elements, such as:

a) The OV is poor in resource and industrial base and backwards technologically - this doesn't really fit with our current take on both the slow rate of tech advance in the setting and the ability of a very compact (but self-replicating) starting unit to essentially industrialize an entire solar system with minimal fuss. The old economic idea of needing some central source of raw materials and know how to bootstrap up from is passe in OA. It might work better (if this is to remain at all) to make it more of an issue of getting enough transapients on hand (immigrants or home grown) to support the sort of transapientech infrastructures and products that are more readily available in the Inner Sphere and low Middle Regions.

b) The OV inhabitants are looked down upon by the Inner Sphere folk - this might work to some degree, but needs to be toned down a good bit. Better yet, altered or combined with something more uniquely OA. Perhaps it's a matter of the OV struggling to develop the memetic infrastructures that allow so many diverse beings to so readily and easily work together to make a civilization in the various Sephirotics or the like.

c) I'd also suggest adjusting the statements about the OV being 'ignored' by the 'leaders of the Inner Sphere' - given that those leaders are archailects, it seems unlikely they are ignoring the OV - and also out of character given the way we generally describe archailect behavior. Perhaps something combining elements of both the distances involved and the rather murky plans and motivations of transapients might be a better explanation here.

My 2c worth,

Todd
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http://www.orionsarm.com/eg-article/48acafcb42410
Alpha Star

I think the sentence

"A passing Negentropic probe had noted the state of the system in 4634, and it was without problems that it was passed to the Burdikeer."

would be better as

"A passing Negentropic probe had noted the state of the system in 4634. Since it was without problems, it was passed to the Burdikeer."
Selden
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The article http://www.orionsarm.com/eg-article/4a60f013d264d (Orange Polity) provides names for two of the wormholes which are listed as "unnamed" in article http://www.orionsarm.com/eg-article/4e297b0884b1a (Wormhole Gazetteer).

Specifically
Unnamed The Orange Polity NoGo Solarus is Corridor 3919

Unnamed The Orange Polity Golden Globe is Corridor 3921

The article http://www.orionsarm.com/eg-article/48aca6f9717da (Traction) provides several more

Unnamed Traction The Orange Polity is Corridor 3920
Unnamed Traction Swartzchield is Corridor 59342
Unnamed Traction Moedus is Corridor 3490
Selden
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http://www.orionsarm.com/eg-article/491418776bb70 (Tunh Xenohole)

the sentence
" The Tunnlers (as the aliens came to be called) appeared to have once had a much more extensive network, but over time enough links had failed to disconnect the discovered links from the rest. "

might be better as
" The Tunnlers (as the aliens came to be called) appeared to have once had a much more extensive network, but over time links had failed, disconnecting the discovered links from the rest."
Selden
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(08-07-2016, 01:15 PM)Drashner1 Wrote:
(08-07-2016, 03:07 AM)Matterplay1 Wrote: I'll fix up the bit you mentioned, of course, but it also appears we've some other material from the old version that was deleted in an earlier edit. Obviously it needs a bit of updating (no picotech now), but I suggest we reintroduce it in modified form.

Agreed that this needs some updating and polishing. Along with removing picotech, I'd also suggest removing or replacing a lot of the 'classic space opera' elements, such as:

a) The OV is poor in resource and industrial base and backwards technologically - this doesn't really fit with our current take on both the slow rate of tech advance in the setting and the ability of a very compact (but self-replicating) starting unit to essentially industrialize an entire solar system with minimal fuss. The old economic idea of needing some central source of raw materials and know how to bootstrap up from is passe in OA. It might work better (if this is to remain at all) to make it more of an issue of getting enough transapients on hand (immigrants or home grown) to support the sort of transapientech infrastructures and products that are more readily available in the Inner Sphere and low Middle Regions.

b) The OV inhabitants are looked down upon by the Inner Sphere folk - this might work to some degree, but needs to be toned down a good bit. Better yet, altered or combined with something more uniquely OA. Perhaps it's a matter of the OV struggling to develop the memetic infrastructures that allow so many diverse beings to so readily and easily work together to make a civilization in the various Sephirotics or the like.

c) I'd also suggest adjusting the statements about the OV being 'ignored' by the 'leaders of the Inner Sphere' - given that those leaders are archailects, it seems unlikely they are ignoring the OV - and also out of character given the way we generally describe archailect behavior. Perhaps something combining elements of both the distances involved and the rather murky plans and motivations of transapients might be a better explanation here.

My 2c worth,

Todd

EDIT - Continuing the thoughts about revisions to the OV article:

I'd also suggest removing or modifying the bits about the OV being impacted by 'empire time' and relativistic time dilation issues.

Empire time was a 'thing' in OA back in an earlier version of the project, but is no longer an issue, at least to the degree that we used to think it was, due to the limitations on linelayer speed we have imposed.

Much the same can be said of time dilation being a factor. The early OA setting made many passing mentions of 'relativists' as if there was a significant demographci group that was 'out of sync' with the bulk of civilization due to traveling near the speed of light. However, in the current version of the project, the vast majority of starships do not travel anywhere near fast enough to experience the kind of major time dilation effects so often depicted in STL SF and formerly strongly hinted at in earlier OA versions. Those ships that do travel fast enough are reactionless drive vessels and likely owned/operated/crewed by transapients.

Even if we replace time dilation with the presumed isolation of interstellar travel and being in stasis, it seems unlikely this would be much of an issue. Most starships traveling regular routes will logically be linked into the Known Net and so be receiving a continuous stream of news and data from both their starting point and destination. With Nanostasis systems and DNI, the passengers and crew could spend the trip in some sort of virtual reality (hard edged or somewhat dreamlike or in between) in which they receive ongoing updates of events, if they care to. While the information would be years or decades out of date, this seems unlikely to matter much to a race of immortals, most of whom will be centuries old. It seems even less likely to matter to entire cultures of such people.

My 2c worth,

Todd

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http://www.orionsarm.com/eg-topic/461c51c7051c7 (Biovirate)

The link titled "anthropist" fails with the message below:

Fatal error: Call to a member function set() on a non-object in /home/www/vhosts/www.orionsarm.com/htdocs/controllers/cont_oaeg.php on line 118
Selden
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(08-08-2016, 08:05 AM)Drashner1 Wrote:
(08-07-2016, 01:15 PM)Drashner1 Wrote:
(08-07-2016, 03:07 AM)Matterplay1 Wrote: I'll fix up the bit you mentioned, of course, but it also appears we've some other material from the old version that was deleted in an earlier edit. Obviously it needs a bit of updating (no picotech now), but I suggest we reintroduce it in modified form.

Agreed that this needs some updating and polishing. Along with removing picotech, I'd also suggest removing or replacing a lot of the 'classic space opera' elements, such as:

a) The OV is poor in resource and industrial base and backwards technologically - this doesn't really fit with our current take on both the slow rate of tech advance in the setting and the ability of a very compact (but self-replicating) starting unit to essentially industrialize an entire solar system with minimal fuss. The old economic idea of needing some central source of raw materials and know how to bootstrap up from is passe in OA. It might work better (if this is to remain at all) to make it more of an issue of getting enough transapients on hand (immigrants or home grown) to support the sort of transapientech infrastructures and products that are more readily available in the Inner Sphere and low Middle Regions.

b) The OV inhabitants are looked down upon by the Inner Sphere folk - this might work to some degree, but needs to be toned down a good bit. Better yet, altered or combined with something more uniquely OA. Perhaps it's a matter of the OV struggling to develop the memetic infrastructures that allow so many diverse beings to so readily and easily work together to make a civilization in the various Sephirotics or the like.

c) I'd also suggest adjusting the statements about the OV being 'ignored' by the 'leaders of the Inner Sphere' - given that those leaders are archailects, it seems unlikely they are ignoring the OV - and also out of character given the way we generally describe archailect behavior. Perhaps something combining elements of both the distances involved and the rather murky plans and motivations of transapients might be a better explanation here.

My 2c worth,

Todd

EDIT - Continuing the thoughts about revisions to the OV article:

I'd also suggest removing or modifying the bits about the OV being impacted by 'empire time' and relativistic time dilation issues.

Empire time was a 'thing' in OA back in an earlier version of the project, but is no longer an issue, at least to the degree that we used to think it was, due to the limitations on linelayer speed we have imposed.

Much the same can be said of time dilation being a factor. The early OA setting made many passing mentions of 'relativists' as if there was a significant demographci group that was 'out of sync' with the bulk of civilization due to traveling near the speed of light. However, in the current version of the project, the vast majority of starships do not travel anywhere near fast enough to experience the kind of major time dilation effects so often depicted in STL SF and formerly strongly hinted at in earlier OA versions. Those ships that do travel fast enough are reactionless drive vessels and likely owned/operated/crewed by transapients.

Even if we replace time dilation with the presumed isolation of interstellar travel and being in stasis, it seems unlikely this would be much of an issue. Most starships traveling regular routes will logically be linked into the Known Net and so be receiving a continuous stream of news and data from both their starting point and destination. With Nanostasis systems and DNI, the passengers and crew could spend the trip in some sort of virtual reality (hard edged or somewhat dreamlike or in between) in which they receive ongoing updates of events, if they care to. While the information would be years or decades out of date, this seems unlikely to matter much to a race of immortals, most of whom will be centuries old. It seems even less likely to matter to entire cultures of such people.

All good points. I'll roll those into the rewrite. A general sense-of-things that I want to capture from Alan's original, whatever the particular content, is that the Outer Volumes are full of adventure, mystery, and opportunity, and are altogether less 'safe' than the better settled and explored parts of the Terragen Sphere. I'll set this up as a thread in the EG articles subforum, together with comments to date, so we don't get in the way of this thread's regular EG editing purpose.
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